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[ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ The Forum Board ] [ FAQ ] Re: Wipes OFF! Wipes OFF! Wipes OFF! (NT) Posted by JK (the other JK) on June 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM In Reply to: Re: Wipes OFF! Wipes OFF! Wipes OFF! (NT) posted by larrywwww on June 26, 2009 at 7:22 AM : 1) No, I do not assume that someone must have a law degree or other : professional degree to be successful. One of the most brilliant bankruptcy : minds I have ever met was a paralegal who operated out of a : garage in Long Beach. Ultimately, he went to night school at a non accredited : law school and became an attorney. He now lives in Cota de Caza : and has a very successful practice. : 2) However, viewing those who have tended to publish in probate, a good % tend to be attorneys. : Gary Di Grazia (Diamond Farming) is one, John Beck (an old timer, it : is true) was, and I think there are others. You can't do very much : in the probate field as a non-attorney. Unlike bankruptcy, say, : where a paralegal can at least fill in the paperwork, even though : a non-attorney can't make appearances. If your day job is to : handle probate cases, my point was, you are going to tend to know more : about the procedures, etc. I have met very few paralegals who : practice probate, because quite frankly, there is not very much : you can do, unless you are working for an attorney. : 3) I don't post much here and maybe I am getting to be a crochety : old man. But I don't attack others on public websites. : There didn't seem to me to be anything particularly extravagant : in the observations that I made. And, quite frankly, the post seemed arrogant, an invitation to puncture pretension : and self importance. Like waiving a red flag in front of a bull. : I don't brag about my own qualifications, but on the other hand, : I'm not going to shrink into a corner once I am attacked and : act as if I have no qualifications to have an opinion on these : subjects. I also have a personal dislike for those who engage : in flaming contests in general. The point of the observation : that Rick made was, I think, at a minimum---very far from clear---though : it did appear to be some form of personal attack. : 4) I know very little about this Rick. And maybe he is the real : deal. Certainly, it's possible to invest in probate without : being an attorney. And, of course, you can always make an : evaluation based on the quality of advice you receive. : But the question I raised was, I felt, a legitimate : one---it was one that I had at the back of my mind for some : time since reading about this non-lawyer "Probate Guy". : 5) I'm not suggesting that anything needs be resolved here and now, since I don't : think it prudent to publish any personal details on a public : website. On the other hand, I am not the one who is claiming : to be an expert. I do believe that it is possible to hold oneself out : as an expert on a public website, without any real basis whatsoever. : I have seen this happen before. I'm not here to market : myself. I don't live near San Diego, so what would be the point? : Also, I generally do not have the time to devote to extensive : postings---whether on this or any other website. : 6) I recognize that this post has drawn responses from a few of the most : prolific posters on this website. And I'm OK with not : winning any popularity contests on this website. : But it's a free country and, however challenging my observation : may have been, it was not, IMHO, out of line. I : do like and respect Ward, which is why I post here. I don't : know the other posters here. Larrywwww, I just read my response and then I read Rick's response. I like Rick's response better. Again, I don't think he was meaning to flame or attack you. Therein lies the problem with the internet. You can't read the tone of someone's voice. Thanks for your contributions to the board. Follow Ups: Post a Followup: Name : E-Mail : Subject : Comments: : : 1) No, I do not assume that someone must have a law degree or other : : professional degree to be successful. One of the most brilliant bankruptcy : : minds I have ever met was a paralegal who operated out of a : : garage in Long Beach. Ultimately, he went to night school at a non accredited : : law school and became an attorney. He now lives in Cota de Caza : : and has a very successful practice. : : 2) However, viewing those who have tended to publish in probate, a good % tend to be attorneys. : : Gary Di Grazia (Diamond Farming) is one, John Beck (an old timer, it : : is true) was, and I think there are others. You can't do very much : : in the probate field as a non-attorney. Unlike bankruptcy, say, : : where a paralegal can at least fill in the paperwork, even though : : a non-attorney can't make appearances. If your day job is to : : handle probate cases, my point was, you are going to tend to know more : : about the procedures, etc. I have met very few paralegals who : : practice probate, because quite frankly, there is not very much : : you can do, unless you are working for an attorney. : : 3) I don't post much here and maybe I am getting to be a crochety : : old man. But I don't attack others on public websites. : : There didn't seem to me to be anything particularly extravagant : : in the observations that I made. And, quite frankly, the post seemed arrogant, an invitation to puncture pretension : : and self importance. Like waiving a red flag in front of a bull. : : I don't brag about my own qualifications, but on the other hand, : : I'm not going to shrink into a corner once I am attacked and : : act as if I have no qualifications to have an opinion on these : : subjects. I also have a personal dislike for those who engage : : in flaming contests in general. The point of the observation : : that Rick made was, I think, at a minimum---very far from clear---though : : it did appear to be some form of personal attack. : : 4) I know very little about this Rick. And maybe he is the real : : deal. Certainly, it's possible to invest in probate without : : being an attorney. And, of course, you can always make an : : evaluation based on the quality of advice you receive. : : But the question I raised was, I felt, a legitimate : : one---it was one that I had at the back of my mind for some : : time since reading about this non-lawyer "Probate Guy". : : 5) I'm not suggesting that anything needs be resolved here and now, since I don't : : think it prudent to publish any personal details on a public : : website. On the other hand, I am not the one who is claiming : : to be an expert. I do believe that it is possible to hold oneself out : : as an expert on a public website, without any real basis whatsoever. : : I have seen this happen before. I'm not here to market : : myself. I don't live near San Diego, so what would be the point? : : Also, I generally do not have the time to devote to extensive : : postings---whether on this or any other website. : : 6) I recognize that this post has drawn responses from a few of the most : : prolific posters on this website. And I'm OK with not : : winning any popularity contests on this website. : : But it's a free country and, however challenging my observation : : may have been, it was not, IMHO, out of line. I : : do like and respect Ward, which is why I post here. I don't : : know the other posters here. : Larrywwww, : I just read my response and then I read Rick's response. I like Rick's response better. Again, I don't think he was meaning to flame or attack you. Therein lies the problem with the internet. You can't read the tone of someone's voice. Thanks for your contributions to the board. 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